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Tom's B-404
by Ross Nichol, March 15, 2011
I've been using Tom's B-404, an 'earth friendly' veg based spray lubricant. Seems to do all that WD-40 does while being non-toxic and biodegradable. I've only had it a while but works well.

    Re: Tom's B-404
    by Dave Winstanley, March 15, 2011
    What sorts of things have you been lubricating Ross?
      Re: Tom's B-404
      by Ross Nichol, March 15, 2011
      Dave there's something in there that makes me wonder if you joke. I'll assume that this is a straight question and say the car door hinges, the garage door rollers and the like. Tom's isn't as good as Glen's but who would use a single malt on a door.
        Re: Tom's B-404
        by Dave Winstanley, March 16, 2011
        Actually Ross, I was trying to get a rise out of you but you didn't bite emoticon

        But then I did decide to do a real search for the MSDS on this product because I was curious if this "natural" product was as green and earth friendly as they claim. Take a look at this link:

        In particular, look at sections 3 and 4.



          Re: Tom's B-404
          by Ross Nichol, March 17, 2011
          Thanks for that. No more putting it in my martinis.
            Re: Tom's B-404
            by Ross Nichol, March 17, 2011
            I had to check on WD40. It's not clear to me which is better. It does say intentional abuse may be harmful or fatal. If I use it to froth my warm hazelnut milk is that abuse?

            2 – Hazards Identification
            Emergency Overview: DANGER! Flammable aerosol. Contents under pressure. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. If swallowed, may be aspirated and cause lung damage. May cause eye irritation. Avoid eye contact. Use with adequate ventilation. Keep away from heat, sparks and all other sources of ignition.
            Symptoms of Overexposure: Inhalation: High concentrations may cause nasal and respiratory irritation and central nervous system effects such as headache, dizziness and nausea. Intentional abuse may be harmful or fatal. Skin Contact: Prolonged and/or repeated contact may produce mild irritation and defatting with possible dermatitis. Eye Contact: Contact may be irritating to eyes. May cause redness and tearing. Ingestion: This product has low oral toxicity. Swallowing may cause gastrointestinal irritation, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. This product is an aspiration hazard. If swallowed, can enter the lungs and may cause chemical pneumonitis, severe lung damage and death. Chronic Effects: None expected. Medical Conditions Aggravated by Exposure: Preexisting eye, skin and respiratory conditions may be aggravated by exposure.
            Suspected Cancer Agent:
            Yes NoX

            First Aid
            Ingestion (Swallowed) : Aspiration Hazard. DO NOT induce vomiting. Call physician, poison control center or the WD-40 Safety Hotline at 1-888-324-7596 immediately. Eye Contact: Flush thoroughly with water. Remove contact lenses if present after the first 5 minutes and continue flushing for several more minutes. Get medical attention if irritation persists.
            Skin Contact: Wash with soap and water. If irritation develops and persists, get medical attention. Inhalation (Breathing) : If irritation is experienced, move to fresh air. Get medical attention if irritation or other symptoms develop and persist.

            And back to Tom's, the eco product.
            "ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION: No Information."

            Re: Tom's B-404
            by Ross Nichol, March 17, 2011
            (And now I have mention that I didn't put in the sad faces. I cut & pasted and the included bracket and colon produced the icon. )


            Edit: sign of the times... I've edited the text to avoid the "smiley" face. Mo
            Re: Tom's B-404
            by Dave Winstanley, March 17, 2011
            Who knows which one is less harmful - but when one claims to be "non-toxic" on the label and then says don't get it on your skin, don't breath the fumes and whatever you do, don't get it in your eyes - it just shows how misleading product labeling can be.

            I'd keep it out of the martini's too.

            Re: Tom's B-404
            by George Davidson, March 18, 2011
            If you look at the two ingredients its not that bad of a product, I think the warnings are just lawyer talk

            01 VEGETABLE OILS MIXTURE 65.0 %
            02 ISOBUTANE 75-28-5 40.0 %

            The percentages are less than, which leaves a 5% overlap for sloppiness - again more lawyer stuff

            This also is the same make-up as Pam cooking spray, which makes it a great SpudGun propellant, just not sure if the veggie oils are eatable.

            I would continue to use it to froth you coffee Ross, just make sure to drink it away from an open flame or sparks.

            Re: Tom's B-404
            by James McKernan, August 14, 2011
            I wonder if the production of this product is more sustainable.
            Perhaps non-toxic is a separate idea than sustainable or more sustainably manufactured.
            After all many poisons are natural, though hardly non-toxicemoticon
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